Creeeeeeepy looking guy, this "Mr. Vincent Toole" "no formal training to be an elder" Yep, Angus understands it well!
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Royal Commission Live Hearing Now
by LostinJapan inwednesday 5 , day 7 live hearing.
case study 29, july 2015, sydney.
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Shameless lies of the head of Australian Betel just to protect the GB
by paradisebeauty inwatching the royal commission videos from day 6.. the head of the australian branch is such a liar.
he keeps saying they have the right to make decisions and regulations if they are in accordance with the scriptures, but we all know this is such a lie!!!!.
he is just trying to protect the gb members from bring forced to testify!!
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However, Stewart has defined the role of the GB in their function is in relation to 'spiritual guidelines.' Then Stewart asks if scriptural interpretations ever change? and what would happen if you had a different interpretation of the scriptural guidelines for procedures other than the GB? would you be free to change them, or would you have to consult the GB?
That is why he asked him to consider, 'which scriptural guidelines could you see never changing?' before lunch...
I haven't watched part 5 yet.....
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[Day 6 - 4/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO
by C0ntr013r inunfortunately, part 1 will not be available until later, but i thought i give you the other parts anyway .
day six of the proceedings:.
part 2 has been uploaded and part 3,4 and (5?
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"When there is 'serious sin'....." OK, it's serious..... Child abuse is serious.... How serious?
Serious enough to "inform the elders."....... Think about it.... ELDERS are elevated above the law.
Does law enforcement have training on how to deal with child abuse? to ensure safety for the victim? have access to scientific evidence that might establish a crime? have programs to help 'reform' pedophiles (Doctors, drugs, psychiatrists, etc) ? Take notes that won't be destroyed? (It also retains a data base if any further accusations are brought up against an individual should they move. The WT's hired lawyer used this data base to obtain figures and info)
YES.
Do elders have the training? NO.....
But who are the publishers instructed to inform? ELDERS..... Elders FIRST......
The point that even IF law enforcement were informed FIRST, it would not inhibit elders in following through in their 'investigating' for the 'spiritual welfare of the flock' is not addressed or acknowledged.
It would actually make their job easier, right? The law does not stop the "judicial process" of the congregation... it aids it.
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Billy... the Bozos that quoted Deut so many times with regard to "two witnesses" were just that.. because, as we all know, the same line of reasoning is used in the Greek scriptures, right?
In fact, when that elder Eli? da Rooy? returned from lunch, he had been tutored, and used the Greek scrips to discount the judges come back of "well, would you stone someone to death too?"
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Funny, Memphis!!! They are like spoiled kids, use to getting their authoritarian way!
They are NOT in Kansas/ Bethel anymore...
Neither the judge nor Stewart is worried about getting DF'd!!!
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Spinks implied, by his comments about Korea and mentioning court cases of Human Rights, that perhaps the Royal Commission had better think long and hard before taking this " oh so loving" organization on....
Human Rights..... hmmmmm, what about the Human Rights of the victims???
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Elders can't take an M.S. with them to investigate sexual matters, how can he take a sister? He can't. Period. -
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"Observers not present for moral support" such a lie, I want EVIDENCE I want to have witnesses to the fact that "if you want moral support" in a judicial hearing, you can have it. -
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Here comes the hammer, "saying my hypothetical is not realistic does not answer my question" -
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This guy Spinks sounds just like a WT doesn't he? He talks and talks and talks and you don't know what in the heck he said! Brain ache!